Career Transitions: John Wesley talks about the Social Media, Taking Risks and Chasing Your Dreams
Welcome to the 3rd article in my Career Transitions Series. For those readers who aren’t familiar with this series, the idea is to interview people who both interest me and have found a fulfilling career. My current job path is the one area of my life I am not entirely happy with, so basically I am looking for both ideas and inspiration to help me change it!
John Wesley, as I’m sure many of you will know, is the founder of PickTheBrain (PTB). What you may not know, however, is the full story behind him changing careers earlier this year - an event that also led to me becoming editor of PickTheBrain.
Peter: Earlier this year you switched careers and began working for a company called PeopleJam. Can you tell me about PeopleJam and your position there?
John: PeopleJam is the new home for personal growth online. Our goal is to bring experts in different areas (health, fitness, personal relationships, etc.) together with the people that want to learn from them. In addition to traditional experts, we also want to incorporate web2.0 personal growth experts like successful bloggers.
On the site, users can ask questions, post confessions, and even create their own blogs. We’re also creating top-of-the-line video content.
My job at PeopleJam is head of online marketing. Basically, I’m responsible for getting the word out, be it through blog posts, social media, or plain old word of mouth.
Peter: I recall in an article you wrote for PTB you distinguished between having a job and having a career. Can you tell me what you were doing prior to working for PeopleJam, and why you believe you had a job instead of a career?
John: Prior to joining PeopleJam I worked as an engineer, doing statistical analysis on flight systems for the U.S. government. I always saw this as a job (rather than a career) because I never felt emotionally attached to it. It was clock in, clock out. I didn’t see myself in that line of work for the rest of my life.
Peter: When we first started to discuss the possibility that I would become editor of PTB, you did not yet know you would be working for PeopleJam. In fact, I believe initially you planned to sell PTB because you contemplating accepting a job in the finance industry that would require you to work longer hours, ie you would have little to no time for blogging. Can you tell me what was going through your mind during this period? Was there a little voice in your head telling you not to take the job in the same industry that would entail longer hours?
John: That was a very tumultuous time in my life, and it really could have gone either way. At the time, I thought I wanted to move to NY to become a banker. Finance appealed to me much more than engineering, and it seemed a lot less far fetched than working in the internet industry. I needed a change, no matter what.
Looking back, it was a blessing that I came into contact with PeopleJam and didn’t become a banker. I think many of the issues I had with working at a large engineering company would have been just as bad (if not worse) at a major bank.
Peter: I read an interesting comment you made that your current position did not exist 5 years ago. How then did you find this new career?
John: I think that’s the nature of the web. We live in a very exciting time. There was no head of social marketing 5 years ago, because there was no social media. I think the job found me. I developed a passion for writing and the web, worked hard at it for a year, and without even realizing it, became an expert on the cutting edge of media.
Peter: In many ways, your new career carries with it a number of risks. First, you had to pack up your life and move to a new city. Second, you are working for a startup. In making your decision to work for PeopleJam, did you take these risks into account? And if so, how did you justify to yourself that these risks were worth taking?
John: I’m fortunate to be in a position where I can take big risks. I don’t have anyone else to support or any big obligations to tie me down. It was definitely a risk to move cross country and take a less stable job, but there are also big risks involved with staying put. To me, the risk of chasing my dreams and doing what I love, is far less than the risk of staying with a safe life that doesn’t fulfill me.
Peter: Would you agree that PTB was, in effect, your resumé for attaining your position with PeopleJam? If so, can you offer any advice to people who want to follow a similar path?
John: There’s no doubt of that. I never even showed them a resumé. A blog is a fantastic way to help your career because a) it helps people find you and b) demonstrates expertise. For people hoping to do the same, I recommend starting a blog around your passion and taking it seriously. Not to say you can’t have fun, but I doubt pictures of your cat will inspire potential employers. The biggest benefit doesn’t come from the blog itself, but from all the skills you develop in the process. (writing, marketing, design, networking, etc.)
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If you would like to know more about John’s new career at PeopleJam, he has kindly offered to answer some reader questions in the comments section below. So don’t be shy - if you have something on your mind ask away!

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13 Comments
April 21st, 2008 at 12:49 am
Thanks for sharing these insights. They are rather thought provoking.
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April 21st, 2008 at 6:55 am
Peter and John,
Thank you for reminding me to chase my dreams.
I find it helpful to speak of a ‘vocation’ rather than a career. For me a vocation is something that spiritually engages you, makes you feel alive in every way.
Maybe I react against the word ‘career’ because I’ve always felt like the careers service at university mostly sells broken dreams.
David
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April 21st, 2008 at 8:27 am
Thanks for interview, interesting.
I must admit having read Pick the Brian for quite a long time, I could never have imagined John as an investment banker! Good luck with new career path!
Best,
Tejvan
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April 21st, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Thanks for posting the interview, Peter.
Tejvan — Looking back on it I totally agree. I really dodged a bullet on that one.
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April 21st, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Thanks Peter for the interview - I love hearing stories like this. I have my own… I took the risk of leaving school teaching with nothing to go to and it worked out fine. I was amazed at the time how so many of the other teachers said they wished they could do the same - I couldn’t understand why they didn’t. As John said, the risk of not following your heart is far greater than following it.
Cheers
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April 21st, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Peter,
Great interview. I always felt that knowing what inspires our body, mind and soul is first step towards fulfilling career. Thanks for sharing this series with us.
Shilpan
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April 21st, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Really enjoyed this interview. I also have a fascination with people transitioning to new careers and taking risks in their lives. It inspires me to continue with my dream. =)
http://jonathanmead.com - Authenticity, Clarity, Balance
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April 22nd, 2008 at 3:33 pm
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April 22nd, 2008 at 5:09 pm
The secret to successfully changing careers is to find something you are passionate about.
I recently interviewed over 80 highly successful people for my upcoming third book and many of them had changed careers somewhere along the way. Or if it wasn’t a career change, it was some type of shift.
That shift usually involved moving from something they didn’t like into something they did.
Peter, it seems like you are well on your way to making that shift. Pay attention to the flow of your life and it will lead you in the right direction. You have to let your gift find you.
MrAchievement
Stanley Bronstein
Attorney, CPA, Author, Blogger & Professional Motivational Speaker
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April 25th, 2008 at 6:15 am
p.s. Peter, are you ready for our interview at Adversity University? I am looking forward to having you join the likes of John Wesley (we all know who he is), Wendy Piersall (CEO of newly redesigned sparkplugging formerly called emoms at home), Howard Putnam (former CEO of Southwest) and others.
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May 14th, 2008 at 4:16 am
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